Saturday, December 11, 2010

The following paragraph is has been lifted from an article that discusses another topic entirely, a topic one needs to read the article to understand. But the following paragraph captured my thoughts.

Some time ago, I asked an ultra-orthodox Rabbi and politician named Avraham Ravitz -- he headed an ultra-orthodox party and was a powerful member of the Knesset -- why he had boycotted a dairy company that had introduced a line of kid's yogurts and puddings with dinosaur mascots. He chuckled when I asked if he doubted that dinosaurs had once existed. Of course not, he assured me, and it didn't concern him a whit that they didn't appear in Genesis, as it was crazy to read Genesis literally in any case. "It's just, who wants to explain the subtleties of biblical hermeneutics to your kids over breakfast, before you've even had your coffee?" For Ravitz, the problem with science isn't what it makes you believe, it's what is makes you do, sometimes even before your morning coffee.

The point is, for the better part of 2 millenniums Christianity has been divorced from it's Jewish roots, to the point where Jews do not even recognise Christianity as a Jewish cult or some perversion of Judaism, like most "Christians" view Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses. But we will take dogmatic stands based on scripture with no understanding of the Jewish historical thought on the subject. The phrase ultra-orthodox indicates that the speaker is the Jewish inequivalent of a KJV only pastor, with regards to how far his community cuts themselves off from mainstream society.

Clearly he thinks that anyone who subscribes to a literal view of Genesis is a fool. Remember this is not some ultra-reformist Rabbi, but rather a spiritual descendant of the Pharisees! Rabbi Ravitz's view of Genesis creation may be closer to that of Paul's than most modern-day Christians. I have known for some time now that the Jewish view on abortion is neither pro-life nor pro-choice; there seems to be no concept of individual rights in Judaism. The question that is asked is what is in the best interests of the community, so an infant can be aborted if it is deemed that that is what is in the best interests of the community - think hiding with a crying baby in Nazi Germany. However the same child can not be aborted for having downs because that abortion may not be in the best interests of the community.

(Abortion is the correct word in both contexts above because it seems that a child was not considered born until it was weaned - it had to be able to survive independent of it mother for food until that point seems it was considered a foetus.)

My point is, "Is it possible to have a correct understanding of scripture apart from studying the teachings of, at the very least, the ancient Rabbis; meaning those who wrote during and prior to the first century?" I ask this question because I fear the Biblical writers can not be understood outside of the context in which they were writing and the only way to understand that context is to read the writings and thoughts of their contemporaries.

4 Comments:

Anonymous Grant said...

Nothing like hermeneutics to stir the proverbial pot!

I agree that context is pretty important for trying to understand the scriptures, not to mention genre and ancient ideas about authorship that are vastly different than modern ones...and yes, tradition is important.

I would say, though, that coming to a conclusion about what the ancient rabbis prior to the first century thought is not as straightforward as some would like. It definitely cannot be extrapolated from current ultra-orthodox thought, which like Christian thought has undergone shifts and transformations over the millenia. The Mishna and Talmud, which I think are the main resources from ancient times of ancient rabbinical thought, were only written down in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD.

And to conclude that all ultra-orthodox rabbis do not read Genesis literally from what one contemporary ultra-orthodox rabbi believes is a bit of a stretch, I think. I say this because I've come across completely opposite views on hermeneutics from contemporary ultra-orthodox rabbis.

But you might be better read on this subject than I. My question is, what should we read exactly? Is there a way to actually know what the ancient rabbis thought?

10:19  
Blogger rene the rugrat said...

I am playing with ideas. I am not making any conclusive statements, just thinking and stirring the pot as it were.

I am not sure what we should be reading outside of our Bibles, but the Talmud and the Mishna would be a good place to start.

If you are the Grant that I believe you are, and I am near certain that you are, you have far more intelligent thoughts with regards to where to start and what to read than I do. Actually give me a call sometime and we can actually have a real conversation about this because I would like to hear your ideas.

But here is another idea I am playing with that you might enjoy, Communism is more Biblical than democracy and free market economics. What we understand as Communism is to the Biblical ideal what pornography or prostitution is to sex.

11:07  
Anonymous Grant said...

Yes, I'm the one you're thinking of...good to chat with you...

From my last comment it might sound like I think you need to be an academic to really understand the bible...which I don't think...although I've got alot of questions that I'm hoping can be somewhat answered by more intense study. I guess I'm a good Anabaptist--in the sense I think we need to be reading the Bible "in company"...not just on our own. Maybe we need some academics to teach us things from their perspective.

Regarding communism, I actually haven't studied it enough to have informed opinions.

So do you think God has an ideal economic organization in mind for humans? Is it in the Torah?

But I should really be studying : ) for finals right now, and not "wasting time" on blogs!

I'll call you

12:42  
Blogger rene the rugrat said...

I should mention that after doing some further investigation, I have concluded that my Communism hypothesis is wrong. I reserve the right to change my mind in the future, but I guess what I was expecting to find was "soft-core porn" and what I discovered is closer to a snuf film, to continue to use the sex-pornography analogy.

13:52  

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